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Rifle No Longer As Accurate (Plus a Small Rant)

Postby TheVirgo » Fri Mar 16, 2012 4:00 pm

Am I the only one who notices this? I've always considered myself to be a good player, but now, after the .75 update, my game seems to be really off. Shots I would have normally made just aren't hitting. There have been times in the past when I had missed with every shot in a clip, but the frequency of it has risen.

Surely I didn't lose all of my skill by not playing for a few days.

They did say in the changelog: "better accuracy model (weighted toward center)". I hate to tell you this, Ben, but, while it may be a better accuracy model, it's not better for accuracy.

I have never been one to complain about changes. I started playing during .60, shortly before .61 came out. And I have rarely ever complained about any changes the new updates brought, with the exception of shotgun sniping and the rifle sound being changed. (I miss that heavier sound it had back in the .60 days.) But when a change starts throwing me off, that's when I have to call bulls**t.

Any other riflemen out there getting thrown off their game by the new weapon accuracy?
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Re: Rifle No Longer As Accurate (Plus a Small Rant)

Postby Tek2 » Fri Mar 16, 2012 4:24 pm

Yep.

Reducing accuracy defineatly isn't the way to nerf the guns.
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Re: Rifle No Longer As Accurate (Plus a Small Rant)

Postby HaloWarLord711 » Fri Mar 16, 2012 4:34 pm

yeah ive noticed this also,im missing 2 out of 3 shots not,when i KNOW the shot would have been a headshot.
please fix this ben,youre ruining the game
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Re: Rifle No Longer As Accurate (Plus a Small Rant)

Postby Putin » Fri Mar 16, 2012 4:48 pm

Cry more Semi is still the most used and powerful weapon so stop crying. And if the Semi now is made a bit lower
in acc at walk that is realistic and even than it can be tricked and you can make a Headshot easly when walking.
PS: i dont feel it i still make plenty killstreaks with it

AND STOP CRYING SEMI IS STILL THE MOST POWERFUL AND MOST USED WEAPON OF THE GAME
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Re: Rifle No Longer As Accurate (Plus a Small Rant)

Postby Tek2 » Fri Mar 16, 2012 4:50 pm

Putin wrote:Cry more Semi is still the most used and powerful weapon so stop crying. And if the Semi now is made a bit lower( i dont feel it i still make plenty killstreaks with it) in acc at walk that is realistic and even than it can be tricked and you can make a Headshot easly when walking.

AND STOP CRYING SEMI IS STILL THE MOST POWERFUL AND MOST USED WEAPON OF THE GAME

But rifle could have been nerfed with so many better ways, like reducing body/limbshot damage and making rate of fire slower.

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Re: Rifle No Longer As Accurate (Plus a Small Rant)

Postby Putin » Fri Mar 16, 2012 4:58 pm

Yes it has F***ing to big Rate of Fire and that by to big DMG and ACC.

But Ben chose to fix it with lowering ACC BY RUNNING so stop posting sh*t like
" DON'T MAKE ACE OF SPADES A GAME OF LUCK " stand still or walk slow and you will see you will make plenty of headshots.
Cause I really dont get your sick logic of Run with rifle and make headshots !!!
And why should you be able to run with a gun and make headshots ?! Look at the Smg Acc at running , what you want that the accuracy at running is just as standing still?

THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO SAY:
Moonkey wrote:It's like saying
DON'T MAKE WARS A GAME OF LUCK, BECAUSE IN A REAL WAR YOU CAN GET AS MANY HEADSHOTS AS YOU WANT.

It's sickening that you guys want 99.9% accurate rifles, I'm just fine with it because I can still do very good like this. Lrn2BeSkilled. In real life you can't hold a rifle so steadily and shoot it and get 50 headshots in under 5 minutes. This is a game bro, it's made for a challenge. And If you rage over me about comparing real-life to this game then you seriously have no life to get on with since all you can do is rage over a game's update.



I'M FUCKING SICK OF YOU GUYS CRYING FOR 99.99% RIFLE ACCURACY
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Re: Rifle No Longer As Accurate (Plus a Small Rant)

Postby Moonkey » Fri Mar 16, 2012 5:02 pm

It's like saying
DON'T MAKE WARS A GAME OF LUCK, BECAUSE IN A REAL WAR YOU CAN GET AS MANY HEADSHOTS AS YOU WANT.

It's sickening that you guys want 99.9% accurate rifles, I'm just fine with it because I can still do very good like this. Lrn2BeSkilled. In real life you can't hold a rifle so steadily and shoot it and get 50 headshots in under 5 minutes. This is a game bro, it's made for a challenge. And If you rage over me about comparing real-life to this game then you seriously have no life to get on with since all you can do is rage over a game's update.
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Re: Rifle No Longer As Accurate (Plus a Small Rant)

Postby TheVirgo » Fri Mar 16, 2012 5:53 pm

Putin wrote:Cry more Semi is still the most used and powerful weapon so stop crying. And if the Semi now is made a bit lower
in acc at walk that is realistic and even than it can be tricked and you can make a Headshot easly when walking.
PS: i dont feel it i still make plenty killstreaks with it

AND STOP CRYING SEMI IS STILL THE MOST POWERFUL AND MOST USED WEAPON OF THE GAME


Dude, the SMG is shit. My trusty rifle and I made SMG worshipers like you ragequit many times. If you're going to post, at least add to the discussion, like why you think the Rifle should be nerfed. Instead, you just talking about how much the SMG is the best and how it's the most used weapon, even though I seriously doubt that.

If you cannot contribute to the discussion, do not even bother adding a "reply" to it.

Moonkey wrote:It's like saying
DON'T MAKE WARS A GAME OF LUCK, BECAUSE IN A REAL WAR YOU CAN GET AS MANY HEADSHOTS AS YOU WANT.

It's sickening that you guys want 99.9% accurate rifles, I'm just fine with it because I can still do very good like this. Lrn2BeSkilled. In real life you can't hold a rifle so steadily and shoot it and get 50 headshots in under 5 minutes. This is a game bro, it's made for a challenge. And If you rage over me about comparing real-life to this game then you seriously have no life to get on with since all you can do is rage over a game's update.


First of all, Ace of Spades was never meant to be realistic. I thought that fact was made painfully obvious by the game itself. Then again, I guess some facts sink in a lot slower than others.

Secondly, the rifle was never 99.9 percent accurate. I have used up entire clips trying to headshot one lone soldier in the distance before. Lrn2UseYourBrain. And speaking of which, if you had ever met me before the rifle accuracy nerf, you would never use that "Lrn2BeSkilled" phrase to me. As the rifle is now, I could probably still steamroll you in a match. As for challenge, it is up to the other players and their skill to provide challenge. Challenge should never be provided by uncertainty with your weapons.

Third ... "And If you rage over me about comparing real-life to this game then you seriously have no life to get on with since all you can do is rage over a game's update." So, you raging on my post about the rifle, where you appearantly have no business to begin, with means that YOU have a life?

1 - Compare Ace of Spades to real life
2 - Say that skilled players who are now thrown off by the new rifle accuracy is unskilled
3 - Say suddenly inaccurate weapons are part of the challenge
4 - Say that anyone who contradicts you has no life
5 - ???
6 - PROFIT AND HAVE A LIFE

I will reply to neither you nor Putin unless you guys come up with a reply worthy of any kind of response from anybody. Thank you and have a good day.
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Re: Rifle No Longer As Accurate (Plus a Small Rant)

Postby Waypalm » Fri Mar 16, 2012 6:01 pm

To be honest I've not noticed the difference. I'm still as accurate now as I was before the update. And this is coming from a person who has been using the rifle as their main weapon since the days when it was the only weapon (apart from grenades) in the game.
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Re: Rifle No Longer As Accurate (Plus a Small Rant)

Postby Tek2 » Fri Mar 16, 2012 6:44 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkkZifVykyQ

Very low quality video showing the accuracy. Otherwise it was just fine except at target 4 and 5.
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Re: Rifle No Longer As Accurate (Plus a Small Rant)

Postby Galaxy » Fri Mar 16, 2012 7:12 pm

I'm honestly disappointed that we're going down this route again. Hasn't Ben taken notes on what happened with 0.53? Not to sound like an as­shole, but it's almost like he doesn't listen to the community at all.
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Re: Rifle No Longer As Accurate (Plus a Small Rant)

Postby Sample246 » Fri Mar 16, 2012 7:54 pm

I like the change. In .70, the rifle was the best gun in every way, and I only ever used the SMG for the fun of it. Now I switch between both for actual practical purposes. I still get plenty of headshots with the rifle. If you're truly skilled enough, the offset accuracy should only make you miss shots like half the time, which is a reasonable nerf to me. The lazer pinpoint accuracy was just too overpowered.
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Re: Rifle No Longer As Accurate (Plus a Small Rant)

Postby Articsledder » Fri Mar 16, 2012 8:13 pm

Stick with it for a while. Back when Ben did this in .52 everyone had gotten used to it by the time he added it back.
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Re: Rifle No Longer As Accurate (Plus a Small Rant)

Postby danhezee » Fri Mar 16, 2012 8:44 pm

I think the only fair way to increase the skill it takes to get a headshot without players getting frustrated is to add bullet drop. Modify the tracers so they incorporate hit detection, add gravity, and bam all our problems are solved.
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Re: Rifle No Longer As Accurate (Plus a Small Rant)

Postby LASTofS » Fri Mar 16, 2012 8:55 pm

I think this is a pyspades server issue, since the models were changed. Ben said something along those lines. Most of my headshots didn't register when I was playing on 0.75 servers and I usually don't miss. :/

This means all the guns are pretty inaccurate due to rubberbanding, but SMG is doing fairly well since you can spray with it. Everyone has a different style of play and all weapons have their ups and downs so please don't start a flame war.
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