The Only Way To Make Everybody Happy

[HoboHob]

The only way to make everyone happy is to revert back to .21 and release it as 1.0

I don't want to play .21. It sucked so badly.

DON'T REVERT BACKWARDS! KEEP MOVING FORWARDS!

[Airsoftr]

I've really given up on this subject. There's not much we can do about it other than complain, complain, complain...And I'm tired of listening to that or doing it myself. I don't find anything wrong with anyone's opinion, but it's getting old. We still play Ace of Spades even though the rifle's accuracy has been put off a little bit, yet we make such a big deal of it on the forums. If we still enjoy Ace of Spades without the rifle's 100% accuracy-And don't say that you don't enjoy the game-Then I'm sure we can deal with it. Games aren't meant to be about beating the other team. It's the primary objective, of course. But from a moral standpoint playing video games is about having fun.

There is no way to make everybody happy. You can't make a flawless game. You're always going to have to deal with hackers, glitches, bugs, and flaws. That's what Call of Duty, Battlefield, and many other First Person Shooters are like. People can adapt to the game. I've banned hackers, I've killed mikulis, I've dealt with the bugs. You just have to learn to not get so angry about these things and accept the game for what it is, because there's nothing you can do about it. Sure, you can make a big fuss on the forums (even I've done that) about something, and Ben might change it, but in the end Ben decides what to do, when to do it, and how. You just have to deal with the changes because in the end, it's your decision to play the game. If you hate the flaws, would you kindly leave?

I know I've complained about these things many times as well, but over the past few days I've gotten used to it all. In time, you can too.

[TheOperator]

I think youre just going to have to deal with the new rifle. This isnt the communities game, this is the designers game. There are ways to downgrade your version of AoS. in fact /v/ from 4chan still runs a .01 server.

Adapt and learn to use/counter the new semi or die. This game is so much more than 1337snipr headshotz, try the smg and shotgun. Theyre specialized weapons for specialized situations.

You do realize the only reason he nerfed the rifle was from the recent influx of young/inexperienced players who were used to casual games and incapable of using effective cover, listening for enemy footsteps, learning how to properly infiltrate enemy lines, and being able to shoot somebody without aim-assist CONSTANTLY complaining about getting head-shot'ed?

You are a funny man. Perhaps you are not familiar with the concept of 'I am watching this position because I am camping, and the second you leave it, whether at walking or running speed, I will put a bullet through your head 100% of the time'. It''s not only about not finding effective cover, it's about the withering hail of bullets as well as being 100% accurate regardless of standing, crouching, or moving and at a rapid firing rate, no less, with 10 bullets off the bat, and fifty more in reserve ensuring you are completely and entirely fucked against a rifleman who is aiming at you.

Ben isn't coddling newbies, he remedied one of the greatest problems of the rifle, and that is the flexibility to act in any situation. SMGs are now weaker at range because of the damage falloff, which barely affects rifles, rifles are encouraged to camp or draw their shots instead of spam shooting while dodging/strafing, and shotguns are encouraged to stop using the shotgun because it still sucks. Stop being so hurt about your 'favorite toy' being 'nerfed'. I'd argue it's stronger in many ways, especially with the return of 100% accuracy.

Sorry, but I never had the problems with getting killed that you are describing, and ive been playing since before .2

My only conclusion is that you just suck, and suck so much that you cant understand the areas of skill that you suck in.

Now come on, Ben and the developers have to play to the market. If they don't this game will be like Linux. Very awesome, but for the average CoD player way too hard.

The problem people don't see is not the weapons, but they way people use them. Watch a guy play CoD and use the sniper rifle, he uses it like a freaking assault rifle. I have never seen a CoD player use stealth.

You need to pick a weapon that suits your task. If you are flanking them and sniping them, the rifle is the way to go, I would NEVER use the shotgun for that except if I am escorting the sniper. Likewise, I would never use the rifle if I plan to do trench warfare.

But in a map where I might have to do everything, the SMG is still the best gun. I don't like using it though, because it makes me feel like I am cheating for some reason.

Not to knock the game or anything, since it really is great (or at least used to be) but there is NO WAY a game like this in the modern age could become half as popular as most indie games on the market atm. It feels too "old" which is why us older players LOVE it and he younger players are like "KILLSTREAKS NAOW PLOX". The ONLY way this game could become majorly popular, ESPECIALLY when he starts charging for it and scares away all the brazillian kids and other young players who honestly wouldnt waste their time nagging mommy/daddy to buy this for them (do we really want that playerbase anyway?) would be for ben to turn this game into "brick-.-f0rcE"

Ben doesnt seem to be a very good marketer, which is why I'm sure he doesnt realize this. Look ben, we think youre great and appreciate this fun game, but you arent going to make big bucks off of it, and youre only pissing off your original fanbase by trying to casualize the gameplay in hopes that you can. Dont get greedy and sell out, because it wont work and everybody will be unhappy (aside from maybe the 12 year olds)

[ChaosTLW]

And yet, a quick forum search will show you how many people are against paying for Ace of Spades. And those are just the ones that took the time to make a forum account. That doesn't count all the casuals who don't even have a forum account. Your point?
My point is that there will still be "n00bs" buying the game.

This sounds good in theory, but I just think fragmenting the game is not the way to go. From a programmers point of view, it means three times the code.

Not really. It's really the same amount of code. Just ship 1.0 with the two other versions in different folders and then, when the client connects to the server, the server tells the client which version (set of files) to load. Honestly, it wouldn't be that hard.

I'd rather see some kind of list on the play page or something, where you can individually select which update you want to play.

Sorry, but I never had the problems with getting killed that you are describing, and ive been playing since before .2

Just because YOU haven't been in that situation, does not mean it does not happens. Hell, even me had been in a situation where I couldn't leave cover because I knew there was a rifleman ready to put a hole through my head.

[Benton]

It's all about the game.

[Tin]

I said many times. 8 bullets and fire rate between 0.75 and 0.76!

[ChaosTLW]

I said many times. 8 bullets and fire rate between 0.75 and 0.76!

I agree that the RoF thing should be slightly increased, but why the hell would you need 8 bullets? You can get already 5 kills with those you have right now. And it doesn't exactly take 10 minutes to reload.

[Tin]

You need 8 bullets because this wepaon isn't made only for camping. This update will separate semi players into SEMI and SMG players. That is not good. You need 8 bullets to do feeds. You should be able if you have 8.

[ChaosTLW]

What do you mean with "do feeds"?
I sincerely see no need to have 8 bullets. It is quite rare to find any pocket with more than 2 enemies, and if you need more than 5 bullets to kill them, then you shouldn't really be using the Rifle =P

[Tin]

Feeding is killing like 6 enemies within 10 seconds. I do that alot. With this RoF and 5 bullets, it is impossible.

[MrMeow]

So is it like a bolt-action now?
(More accurate but slower)
I always wanted a bolt-action for this game.

[ChaosTLW]

Feeding is killing like 6 enemies within 10 seconds. I do that alot. With this RoF and 5 bullets, it is impossible.

So, why is that bad...?

What about bullet penetration? Like, Rifle bullets have a random chance of passing through the enemy, with a 50% damage loss, without the damage fall-off. This way someone could kill an enemy with a headshot and seriously injure another one behind.

[Benton]

Seriously? Can we have bullets that bounce around too? Can they flash colors? Shoot confetti.

[Tin]

Ben should put 10% chance for every semi bullet to be a nuclear bomb!

[TheVirgo]

Feeding is killing like 6 enemies within 10 seconds. I do that alot. With this RoF and 5 bullets, it is impossible.

So, why is that bad...?

What about bullet penetration? Like, Rifle bullets have a random chance of passing through the enemy, with a 50% damage loss, without the damage fall-off. This way someone could kill an enemy with a headshot and seriously injure another one behind.

Wait, are you actually serious about that? Well, I'm glad to know that you are one of those people who are not meant to be taken seriously. I mean, you YOURSELF SAID:

What do you mean with "do feeds"?
I sincerely see no need to have 8 bullets. It is quite rare to find any pocket with more than 2 enemies, and if you need more than 5 bullets to kill them, then you shouldn't really be using the Rifle =P

I really don't know what to say to you.