Ace Of Spades; Is It Really Worth Buying?

[jdrewlowery]

I have been looking over this thread for 2 days now and heres what i have to say . Ace of spades is a good game over all and it will just keep getting better and better with every update or 2 . cut the dev. some slack they have no funds so we should give them are suport . most of the servers are good too like mint and komrade . the rifle and shotgun may be overpowered but it might get fixed . I probley will pay for the game BUT only if my frends stay on and i get into a good clan
. ok good luck mat and ben dont mess up !

[Frostified]

@HoboHob and @Paratrooper:
On my part, in the OP i was implying about how the glory days were 0.49 - 0.52, I just forgot to clarify that a little more.

[Fluttershy]

Weapons
Rifle keeps getting messed around with, imo it's the only weapon AoS has ever had that was PERFECT at one stage in it's developments.
Perfect is debatable, no doubt it was "Balanced" because everyone had one, but one hit kills are bad game design period and should be reserved only for incredibly skillful things, which in most cases, is head shots because the head is such a small target when compared to the body. Which isnt the case in AoS. We cant change this at all at this point, but it wasnt really perfect ever.
SMG is an annoying weapon, I may be exaggerating about it, but it is regarded as a weapon that is overpowered. It has never been balanced/tweaked so that it is a stable weapon.
You say this like theyre renaming .75 to 1.0 for shits and giggles and charging for it. Its going to be changed in .76 and then due to the autoupdater will possibly be subjected to smaller tweaks.
Shotgun is just a mess right now, it has utter random damage. I advise you hunt for BoF's thread that showed a detailed image of how the 0.75 shotgun works. To the lucky ones, the shotgun is a great weapon. To the average player, the shotgun is completely useless.
To the average player its useless because the average player just runs out into the open for their 360 quickscope headshots rather than build/dig/etc
Finally, let me cover something that I, and many others have been raging about for a long time; the Spade. Oh dear god, what happend to the spades damage. Why on earth would you nerf it so that as a weapon it is redundant, rendering melee almost useless in a fight. Who on earth would've complained about the spade being too powerful? And why on earth did you listen to that one person who complained about it ben, when 100s of people have been asking for the rifle to be transformed back into it's former glory?
Im pretty sure its serverside, and its not meant to be a rambo run out and knife everyone weapon. Its a humiliation/sneaking weapon (and by sneak i mean attacking an unsuspecting bystander)
Angry Players And Teamwork AND Hackers/Griefers (two in one)
We're also pretty miffed how there has been NO development whatsoever in getter players to experiment and try some more teamwork, Heck, ben has actually reduced the amount of teamwork by removing the intel cap bouns!
Actually they talk about ways to improve it all the time, its pretty hard to get teamwork in any game because humans are absolutely retarded as shown by the game theory.
To top it all off, we STILL haven't found a fullproof way of keeping hackers and griefers at bay. But at least we may get registration soon to stop hackers and griefers.
I cant think of too many games without hackers and griefers.

Finally, I end this with a question aimed at Ben, Mat and the community: Is this game really worth paying for?
Not from what ive seen planned so far for 1.0

[Articsledder]

If you are getting bored it may just be the server you are playing on. There are times where I feel the same map can be either fun or boring depending on how your teammates are playing.

[Benton]

Lets put it this way. If it can't make my coffee in the morning then its not worth it.

[Zinger]

Ace of spades, in it's current state; is it worth buying?

I can't tell if people are taking this question as,

"Would you buy AoS at .75 and 'invest' into the next updates?"
OR,
"Would you buy AoS at .75 even if it was the last update?"

After reading this thread, it seems to me that people are responding to the latter part and simply ranting on the current version and failing to realize that the game will change. While I agree with the fact that the weapon balance is broken and the netcode causes lag, it's stupid and pessimistic to think that Ben/Mat won't fix these problems by the time 1.0 rolls out. The forums have no idea what 1.0 will entail, and Mat has already pointed this out in this thread, saying:

I'm surprised you have the final product in your hands already. Can I see it?

Imo, the only thing to be angry about development-wise is that these fixes haven't occurred more quickly. At the same time, Ben and Mat are adults that have to work at other jobs before AoS to ensure that they can pay for food and bills. I've been playing this game since .22, and I would have bought it at any update because I know two things: The concept of AoS has a vast amount of potential, and Ben (and now Mat as well) have the aptitude and competence to act upon this potential and create a very enjoyable and entertaining game.

[Venator]

why are you all crying about like 7 bucks ?
ur parsimonious

[Airsoftr]

why are you all crying about like 7 bucks ?

You don't look any tougher saying everyone's "crying about like 7 bucks ?". In fact, that sounds very childish. We're simply giving our opinion about this subject, if you find something wrong with that then you should probably leave the forums because forums are where people give their opinion.

[jdrewlowery]

why are you all crying about like 7 bucks ?

You don't look any tougher saying everyone's "crying about like 7 bucks ?". In fact, that sounds very childish. We're simply giving our opinion about this subject, if you find something wrong with that then you should probably leave the forums because forums are where people give their opinion.

yeah alot of people are like that i made a thread about how me and this guy we on anothere fourm (mmobobe.com) and i comented on my thread . then the admin came along and blocked my thread so no one clold repley and said the creator isnt ruining the game and everyone loves the new updates .

[Fett316]

why are you all crying about like 7 bucks ?
ur parsimonious

It's the principle of the matter, do you not understand? Let me help you.

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2.
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[Fluttershy]

why are you all crying about like 7 bucks ?
ur parsimonious

Theres a difference between being cheap and not wanting to waste money. Theres a reason I dont go out onto the streets and toss money to the beggars whenever they ask.

[3imis]

I would pay for this game, if the price is reasonable, but I wouldn't pay anything more than 10 dollars for this.
The game is fun, yes, but it has many problems. It needs many MANY fixes. For example, the bug where you can place a block on one's head and he gets a seizure. Or the weapons jamming randomly when you reload. These bugs and the rest of them need to be fixed. The SMG is overpowered, and the shotgun is... just... *cough*... broken. And why did you nerf the spade? It was perfect that way, the last update had the weapons balanced great, but now you just made it worse. This game needs more weapons. Badly. Or at least more game modes. Maybe the game modes other than ctf can be improved. For now this game is just too weak for me to buy. I just hope the next update will be better than this.

[thrillhouse]

You're essentially paying for a point-and-click game without any depth because the rifle is pinpoint-accurate.

Wait, the rifle isn't pinpoint accurate anymore? That's fucking retarded. It shouldn't be down to luck whether or not I can hit someone. You have the SMG and shotgun for that.

[LASTofS]

The reason this game captivated me so greatly and got me stuck like glue was its simplicity. The game was so easy to play, and you could get really good at it fast. I enjoyed how simple it was, but now that we have plans to charge $10 (or more/less) you have to think about adding new features and bug fixes, etc. in order to make the buyer feel like their money's worth.


I think both bcoolface and mat^2, the rest of the pyspades team is in the right direction. Not a big fan of the new weapons, but it's pretty cool stuff like that is being added to the game. However, who wouldn't appreciate launching a few grenades at the enemy bases and harassing them? One can say it makes Ace of Spades feel more complete. I think if new features such as the MG, RPG, helicopters are being released on a scheduled development cycle, my $10 is more than worth it. Of course, this game looks nothing like commercial value at the moment. You don't even know what's coming out.


In its current state, no it is not worth buying. By current state I'm assuming you mean 0.75. USABxBOOYO is one of the guys that hate the network lag, but I'm putting my trust in the devs that it'll get fixed eventually. If you haven't noticed already, this game is in its beta state. That means it wouldn't have been released, but bcoolface has chosen to so you can suggest new content, have fun shaping the game you want to play.


Frosty, I'm not sure why you would think the Ace of Spades OpenGL client being paid for is a joke. Have you seen the vast improvements between the VOXLAP branch and the OGL branch? Mat^2 has added many new features to the game, and once you get your hands on the client I'm sure you'd appreciate some (if not all) of the implementations.


1.0 version does not necessarily mean it will be the finished (or very closely near finished) version of the game. You'll know when the game is finished, because game developers will drop it, or they'll make it open source. If you've kept up with bcoolface's Twitter, he is working on the new weapon accuracy algorithms. Broken weapons? Whatever, it's in beta so they should be fixed eventually. Think of it like this: we are all beta testers and only helping the game get better. The players are angry because new updates take so long to come out (that includes me, by the way). I seriously hope for quicker updates (even if they don't have many new features) because people get pissed when new stuff comes out, but it's not what they expected.


Hackers and griefers? Those are the worst. Admins try and ban the aimbotters and griefers, but we can only do so much about hacking. I seriously hope they will include client-side anti-cheat. Repeating myself, you don't know what's coming out.


Finally, I end my post with the same question: Is this game worth paying for?

[Defaulter]

The reason this game captivated me so greatly and got me stuck like glue was its simplicity. The game was so easy to play, and you could get really good at it fast. I enjoyed how simple it was, but now that we have plans to charge $10 (or more/less) you have to think about adding new features and bug fixes, etc. in order to make the buyer feel like their money's worth.

Incredibly true, the thing that got me hooked on the game was the simple "click and go" gameplay, the objective was simple, getting there was obvious, it wasn't to repetitive, and it was very addictive. Would I have paid money for it then? no, it was fun but it wasn't anything amazing, it had potential. And that potential is what made me stay with the game for nearly a year now.

I think both bcoolface and mat^2, the rest of the pyspades team is in the right direction. Not a big fan of the new weapons, but it's pretty cool stuff like that is being added to the game. However, who wouldn't appreciate launching a few grenades at the enemy bases and harassing them? One can say it makes Ace of Spades feel more complete. I think if new features such as the MG, RPG, helicopters are being released on a scheduled development cycle, my $10 is more than worth it. Of course, this game looks nothing like commercial value at the moment. You don't even know what's coming out.

Point. People that has played the game's earlier versions, may not feel the game is with its money at the moment. The game is still evolving, when we played .2' .3's we saw POTENTIAL, we knew the game wouldn't stay the same forever. And yet I think the nostalgia of the old versions is corrupting the views on the new AoS. It is impossible for anyone to say for sur eif 1.0 will be worth buying, WAIT till we see what exactly is in it.

In its current state, no it is not worth buying. By current state I'm assuming you mean 0.75. USABxBOOYO is one of the guys that hate the network lag, but I'm putting my trust in the devs that it'll get fixed eventually. If you haven't noticed already, this game is in its beta state. That means it wouldn't have been released, but bcoolface has chosen to so you can suggest new content, have fun shaping the game you want to play.

Frosty, I'm not sure why you would think the Ace of Spades OpenGL client being paid for is a joke. Have you seen the vast improvements between the VOXLAP branch and the OGL branch? Mat^2 has added many new features to the game, and once you get your hands on the client I'm sure you'd appreciate some (if not all) of the implementations.

Nothing I disagree with there.

1.0 version does not necessarily mean it will be the finished (or very closely near finished) version of the game. You'll know when the game is finished, because game developers will drop it, or they'll make it open source. If you've kept up with bcoolface's Twitter, he is working on the new weapon accuracy algorithms. Broken weapons? Whatever, it's in beta so they should be fixed eventually. Think of it like this: we are all beta testers and only helping the game get better. The players are angry because new updates take so long to come out (that includes me, by the way). I seriously hope for quicker updates (even if they don't have many new features) because people get pissed when new stuff comes out, but it's not what they expected.

THIS para deserves a response. "1.0 version does not necessarily mean it will be the finished" buying 1.0...you will NOT be buying a finished game, you will be buying the version 1.0...development there will not cease.